September 12, 2017; by: Kara Pickering, Prophetic Timelines
Today, Lyn Leahz released a fascinating interview on the popular “Revelation 12 Sign” alignment, of Sept. 23, 2017 on her YouTube Channel.
In the book of Acts, we are told of a group of people in Thessalonica, known as the Bereans. They “received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Likewise, we are to search for truth within the Bible, and are told to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good,” as presented in 1 Thessalonians 5:21. This includes reviewing all opinions regarding this “Rev. 12 Sign” event, and comparing it to the scriptures.
I am still quite adamant, that there will be no “rapture of the church” on Sept. 23, 2017.
Matthew 24:36- “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father ONLY.” [authors emphasis]
These were Yeshua’s (Jesus’s) words. Not mine. If HE did not know the day… I’m very sure that WE cannot possibly know either. He will come like a “thief in the night,” at a time that we “know not.”
Folks, if this was not truth… YHWH (God) would be a liar.
2 Timothy 3:16 says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” This means we can be sure that His word is infallible.
Although my opinions do not necessarily line up 100% with Astonomer, Danny Faulkner, PhD; I do agree there is much hype surrounding this celestial event, and too many believers are clinging to the hope of this being the “time of the Rapture.”
When we are not whisked away on Sept. 23, 2017; it will effectively cause “men’s hearts to grow” further “cold.” It will give an open platform to the scoffer’s that say, “Where is the promise of His coming?” (see: Matthew 24:12, 2 Peter 3:4)
We must be “sober minded,” and entertain opinions that disagree with the current “Rev. 12 Sign” analysis. We would be foolish not to listen to both schools of thought. Is that how you would want evidence presented in a court-of-law? One sided?
I encourage you to watch this interview. Mr. Faulkner offered an exemplary argument, that opposes current understanding of the Sun, Moon and Star positions of Sept. 23, 2017. I challenge you to view this video, with an objective mind.
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Remember I told you about blogger pal of mine Alexander Backman’s interview with astronomer Gill Broussard? It’s called Planet 7X summer 2017 update I believe. It gives a whole different perspective that you’d likely agree with from my reading of this post
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Can you link that up here for people? Pretty please… 🙂
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The signs in the heavens are proclaiming that YHWH has not forgotten his promises, His only begotten Son surely will claim his Bride, His coronation will proceed on schedule, and nothing will affect His timing. Jesus gave us this word of encouragement: “LIFT UP YOUR HEAD, REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH!” Hallelujah.
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Not denying that. 😉 Just against the date setting that some are willingly participating in. Thanks for the comment, Claudette.
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Thanks Kev. Will check it out. Is that the one gitardood was referencing?
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I hear this “no man knows the day or hour” all the time but they will not comment of what Jesus said in the Book of Revelation that IF YOU ARE NOT WATCHING you will NOT KNOW, and He will come as a thief, but if you ARE WATCHING then, you WILL KNOW. Likewise Paul said the same thing. YOU CAN KNOW and you are COMMANDED to know. It is the same with the concept that Jesus can come at any time – totally denied by Jesus Himself!! If you are going to teach this, you better know what you are talking about or remain silent.
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Dear Mr. Best,
Thank you for your comment. I agree, we should be watching. That is Biblical.
We will know the season, 1 Thess. 5– “1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
Verse 1: He will come as a thief in the night. How is that possible, if we know the EXACT day of the rapture?
Verse 2: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night”
Verse 3: “Peace and Safety.” Has the entire world cried that yet? Has this been fulfilled? There is a lot that has to take place (on a global scale) in the next few days then.
Verse 4 and 5: The Brethren are not in Darkness, where it over takes you as a thief in the night. Yes, because we are His Children, we are aware of the “season.” We are “children of light,” and will not be caught off guard…. all because we know the “season.”
Verse 6: Speaks of us not being asleep, and being sober minded. Just because a fellow believer does not agree with you on date setting of the rapture, does not mean that they are asleep to “the times” or “season.” We are also told to be sober minded. There is much “hysteria” around this Rev. 12 sign subject… That is the opposite of being sober minded. Do people believe this because it is truth, or only because they hope for it so badly? It reminds me of 2 Timothy 4:3- “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.”
Verse 7: Speaks of those in darkness that are asleep and drunken with worldy or fleshly things. This verse is not speaking of believers that do not align themselves to your personal ideas or beliefs.
Verse 8: “But of those that are of the day” speaks to YHWH’s (God’s) children, that are aware of the day to come, not a specific date (9-23-2017) in time. To assert that this speaks to any specific date known to man is foolish.
This verse also speaks to being sober. This doesn’t imply just alcohol. This means not getting wrapped up in hype, like people did last year around this time, like people did during the 7th Tetrad from 2014-2015, the 2012 calendar ordeal, and for others that have been setting dates for many, many years. Those foolish people before us were not sober minded. We are to occupy until He comes. For we know not when the Master will return. This concept is displayed in the following parable Yeshua told, laid out in Luke 19.
Luke 19 “11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.”
This parable speaks to several things, I will point out just a few.
1.) Undoubtedly, He is prophesying to His Future Millennial Reign, and to the times we are currently in.
2.) He told them to occupy until He came. He did not tell them which day the King would return. They were to “occupy” (continue on) until He returned.
Continuing in 1 Thess. 5:8 We are also told to have “breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation” Funny how those who are throwing stones at fellow believers, simply for not believing that Sept. 23, 2017 “HAS TO” be the date, are neglecting this part of scripture.
Verse 9: “God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ” Yes, we are not appointed to God’s wrath, that is the reason why His one and only begotten Son came to Earth. However, this does not mean that we are not subject to man’s wrath. Look at the 200,000 plus dead Christians in Syria. How about the beheaded men in Libya, that gave up their lives by the seashore for the gospel? Or the persecuted underground church of China? Did they, or are they not now, going through some type of tribulation? How is it then, that the American Christian church thinks that they will be swept way in just a few short days. Pretty arrogant and naive if you ask me.
Verse 10: Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. This verse does show that we will be with Him at some point, not necessarily on Sept. 23, 2017.
Verse 10: “Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.” Why do we need to comfort ourselves, if the rapture is coming in just a few more days? And further more…. the Word does not say attack someone on their blog, with these words, because you don’t agree with them.
So, as you can see…. I did not cherry pick just one part, (or one verse) to gain further insight as to why the “Sept. 23, 2017 Rapture date” is a fallacy.
But…. we can gain further insight from other Biblical passages, one of which being Matthew 24. For the sake of keeping this shorter and not having to break down the entire chapter for you, I will encourage you to read it in is entirely. Note…. it does not say that Yeshua is coming back when WE think He has to come back.
Yeshua said, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” -Mathew 24:36 This implies that even He did not even know, but His Father ONLY.
So in conclusion, dear Brother, how is it that we specifically know the date of our Lord’s return is Sept. 23, 2017, and He did not?
If I am wrong, I will apologize to you either in the air, or in Heaven. If you wake up on Sept 24, 2017 and it is a bright and beautiful day… will you humble yourself, and admit that you were needlessly throwing stones?
Either way, it does not offend me. I love all of my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. If I didn’t, I would not be willing to tell you the truth. It isn’t easy telling people this, or fielding rude comments from my so-called Brothers and Sisters. You are not the first, you will not be the last, but I allowed your comment because it was the least evil of the bunch. You know the type… ones who that claim to be Christians, yet treat their fellow brothers and sisters with such contempt, and disrespect.
Is that the Love in Christ that we are to exhibit? When the world sees this behavior, they want nothing to do with us.
1 John 3:14- “We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”
I do however agree that this is a sign. In my humble opinion, it points to the future Millennial Reign of our Lord– much like a birth announcement proclaims a future birth. The “man child” has never been the church. It has always been Yeshua. He is the one who will rule with a rod of iron. That is found in the Old Testament as well. It is also possible, that this sign could be pointing to the soon coming Daniel’s 70th week. Time will tell.
Someday we will look back retrospectively, with complete clarity as to what the sign had pointed to.
Blessings Stewart. Have a good day.
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Very well said Kara, stand in Yeshua’s strength not your own. I pray He will guide you. I believe this sign is for His remnant. Yeshua’s blood bought Torah walkers. Those who are echad (one) with Him. They will be bullet proof in the last days. They will speak with His authority and do what He does.
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Thank you Colleen. Well said. Yes, this is a sign of things to come. Yeshua must be our source of strength.
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Thank you and big of you to post an opposing view. Unlike Stewart who never posts a comment to his blog that disagrees with his point of view.
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Read Matthew 24 30-35 it’s not talking about the rapture. He gathers his saints from heaven – the church is already there. He talks about judgement and the passing away of the heavens and earth – not rapture. He says when the final judgements and destruction of heaven and earth – only YHWH knows when.
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Hello Kara, thank you for your site which i have recently found. I agree that this Sign is not a rapture event. The Resurrection clearly occurs at the last Trump. We have not started the Tribulation yet, although, that may be what the Revelation 12 sign is all about. It may seem academic, but Revelation 12 is followed by Revelation 13! Best regards.
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Thanks for visiting Steve. Blessings to you Brother.
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Don’t forget about the blessing of the first fruits, this is the time that they gather and you will see miracles! Yes, You will see judgments but the judgements is not focused on his people that that have built their foundation on the Rock! A humbling yes, You See, there could a flood and two neighbours houses get flooded out but yet in the end the christian stand on the Rock and the other fall sinks in the sand because lack of wisdom about Yeshua and his plans!
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Read Matthew 24 30-35 it’s not talking about the rapture. He gathers his saints from heaven – the church is already there. He talks about judgement and the passing away of the heavens and earth – not rapture. He says when the final judgements and destruction of heaven and earth – only YHWH knows when.
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Opposing views are welcome, but you must conduct yourself in a Godly manner. Attacks on me or my readership will not be tolerated.
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I would offer 1 Thessalonians 4:17 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air. And so we will be with the LORD forever. We will be gathered from heaven or from the air at the last Trump. This is referring to the Resurrection, as I see it.
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Reblogged this on StarSword.
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a sign in the heaven is just a harbinger warning…it is not a post it note from God announcing the day of the Rapture…numerous false prophets tried to turn it into just that….all they did was to prove that they are false prophets….give them no respect.
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I remember in 2017 posting on facebook the week before the sign, why nothing was going to happen on Sept 23. That doesn’t mean that it didn’t have significance, it had great significance but it was part of a much larger sign. The signs in the heavens are tied to God’s Biblical calendar and feast days, the sign in the heavens when Jesus was born was proclaiming literally what was happening on the earth in that moment and declared what Jesus was here to do.
Just as the sign described in Rev 12 (and may have been talking about two similar signs) was part of a larger group of signs, so to the sign on Sept 23 is part of a much larger group of signs which is a herald of where we are in the end times. We are not to set dates, we can say… “pay attention here and watch”, but we are told only one thing to be watching for and to count from and that is the appearing of the two witnesses in Jerusalem. When we see them stand up we are told to watch and to count the days. Will that coincide with some significant heavenly billboard signs? It probably will.
When Jesus was born the sign in the heavens declared the message “The desired child of the Virgin, Coming shining Righteous Divine King, the Judge who is the sacrifice, the price that covers.” There were other aspects of the larger message which the Wise Men would have seen and understood but this is the general gist. Just like the Bible Code matrix of Jesus birth, I am sure that we only have a glimpse of the full meaning of the signs at that time. We are like children looking at fragments of a puzzle.
The wise men from Persia were able to calculate using a type of calculus and work out where Jupiter (it’s name Zedek meaning Righteous) would be in the sky during each day, they didn’t have Stellarium software but they did know the movements in the heavens and they knew where the sun and moon were as well as the major planets were from day to day in the sky. If they knew then significance could be conveyed by God to them through the heavens. I like Danny and his heart, he is right on some good points here but his general rejection of the Gospel in the Stars is incorrect… we can’t all be right in everything though.
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